"IT IS SURPRISING TO FIND THAT ROUGHLY 10 MILLION
BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN ADULTS [in the US] ARE UNCHURCHED."
-Pollster George Barna - www.barna.org

A WORLD-WIDE PHENOMENON

Why are tens of thousands of devoted
Christians leaving the churches? Is it a
'movement'? What is causing this
world-wide phenomenon?

See link to NEW ZEALAND REVIVAL SITE- Andrew Strom - article on his web site deals extensively with this.

Extract (please consult his web site for the full version):

I was invited onto a Christian Radio show in New Zealand to discuss the growing numbers of "Out-of-church" Christians in the West - people who have left the churches for various reasons but still claim a strong Christian faith. It was a very interesting night, and the phones ran hot.

This "Out-of-church" phenomenon has now grown so large that books are being written about it. In fact, several years ago I heard an estimate that there are TENS OF THOUSANDS of such Christians just in our largest city (-Auckland) alone. And I believe it is the same right across the Western nations. I have personally come into contact with literally hundreds of such people. The surprising thing is that they are often the most committed kind of Christians - praying, insightful, deep-thinking. Yet they have grown tired of "playing the game" inside our church system and have opted out. Often their involvement goes back many years. In fact, they had commonly been leaders of various kinds.

But now they have left. Why? The church obviously finds this a very difficult thing to explain or deal with. The usual accusations are often trotted out: "So-and-so has been hurt and has a root of bitterness". Or they are in "rebellion". Or they are "not a team player". Or they are "backsliding".

But if you talk to these people you will often find that they have been sitting in church for years and years, and they simply cannot stand to sit and watch the same old game being played any more. The LACK OF GOD is what gets to them - even in our most "Spirit-filled" churches. WHERE IS GOD IN ALL OF OUR ACTIVITY? Surely this is not the way it is supposed to be?

New fads and programs come and go, but the mediocrity and LACK OF GOD just seem to go on forever. And so quietly, sometimes without anyone even noticing, they slowly slip out the doors - never to return. Some have even told me that they felt God "calling them out". Others simply felt they couldn't stay there anymore. The state of the church weighed upon them more than words could say.

Very often they did the rounds of other churches, hoping against hope that they would find a place that felt "right" in any way. (-Though most of them are not "church-hoppers" by nature). But the places they visited never seemed any more "right" than the place they had left. And after a while it just seemed easier to stay at home with God.

As I said earlier, most of these people have not given up on Christianity at all. It is today's church system that they have given up on. And we are talking about large numbers here. Thousands are already opting out. And many feel like they are "waiting" for something.

Some of these people have started up home-fellowships. Or they meet with other couples on a casual basis. But many meet with nobody at all, and they consider themselves in a 'Wilderness' place - alone with God. (-Very common).

But it is not possible to stay "alone" forever. Some day, if these people are going to be part of a new move of God's Spirit, they are going to have to come out of their wilderness and become part of the "BODY" that Jesus brings together - the 'new wineskin' that will come with this new move of God. Otherwise they could miss out. That is the great danger.

I'm sure there are many on this List with comments or testimonies relating to this topic. I would love to hear from you. It really is becoming a significant issue in the church.

God bless you, my friends.
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I was inundated with emails. It seemed to be going round and round on the Internet because many responses were from people that were not even part of our own List. Such a huge number of heart-felt stories from people who still loved Jesus but had left the churches (-forever, in many cases). What an eye-opener! It confirmed to me that this issue is so much larger than many of us have realized. I don't think a lot of Christian leaders have any clue how many believers are simply opting out of "organized religion" today.

Throughout this book you will read many of these stories, sent to me from all over the world. To give you an understanding of just how "global" this phenomenon is, here is a small sampling just to get you started:

We are a group of 4 Christians who meet in our respective homes. We were formerly leaders in our local fellowship, but for various reasons found ourselves outside of the established church. And like yourselves we have found the we are not alone. We have met with dozens of Christians around Scotland who are in the same boat. Most were leaders in their fellowships. We were with a group last night of two families with about 8 or 9 meeting in a home.

Your estimate about the number of people in this position does feel about right. I have been in contact with one man in London who has a mailing list of four thousand. I have heard that estimates would put the total as being greater than those that are still in 'Church'. But due to the nature of being 'out of church', it will be very difficult to quantify.

From: Pastor Jim C. (-USA):

In my estimation, in regard to the numbers involved per capita, New Zealand has the sniffles and America has full blown pneumonia.

From: Mary (-USA)

You would be VERY surprised at the number of VERY high-level, gifted and mature Christian leaders who are NOT attending regular church here in Southern California. My husband and I hosted a care group about 7 years ago with 15 couples. Only 3 of them still attend church.

From: Thomas (-USA):

I and my family are some of the, I believe, millions who have left the church system or have been called out by God into the "wilderness." As the Lord explained our calling out He said it would be a time of purging and teaching us to stand in Him alone so that we could stand properly when we are brought back with the many. We still fellowship and share the Word with others. We still, at His direction, do the works of the Church: meeting the needs of others and sharing His truth. We are just not part of the system and I don't believe we will ever be called to rejoin a religious system, but a living fruit-producing Body.

From: Mike (-Vineyard Church, UK):

Just read your piece on 'Out of Church Christians'. Amazing - I've been getting an increasing sense that this is what is going on around us here in the UK. So many fine Christians living effectively outside the Body... and I've always felt that anyone who amputated themselves like this would die and rot, like a severed finger - yet these guys don't, or haven't yet, anyway. The loss to the church is one thing, and the danger to them another - and yet there is this wilderness thing. Look at King David, how he had to spend all those years running in the desert before his anointing could take effect, as it were...

From: Donnalea (-South Africa):

This phenomenon has reached our country too. I'm sure that many out-of-church South African Christians have already contacted you. Although I am still in fellowship, I have really been going through a tough time getting myself to church every Sunday. I love the Lord with all my heart, but Christians and modern day Christianity or "churchianity" get on my nerves. I too am tired of all the programmes and never once seeing or feeling that God is in control. I desperately want to know God again and to really know His will. I am in fellowship during the week with people who have left church completely and as with this general phenomenon, are true Christians really seeking God's will.

From: Tony (-South Africa):

I read your article on “Out of church Christians” with much interest, and yes, it is a worldwide phenomenon. I have personally spoken to many Christians from abroad, many of them business men (it seems like the business community were almost the first to identify it). And yes, what started off as a trickle, well, now the flood gates are open and many have either left, or are in the process of leaving.

From: Jouko (-Finland):

You just described my situation in your article "Out of church" Christians. There are many in that position in Finland, too. I don't know what will be the future solution for this dilemma.

From: Liz (-Zimbabwe):

Have just received your article from a friend and was most interested to discover that it is not only our country which is experiencing this "phenomenon" (if I may use that expression!) There are many of us who have felt "called out of the church" and group together for home cells where there are about 12 folks together. Then once a month we meet up with others, but have a very strong prayer network and are in contact daily with each other, as needs are great here in Zimbabwe.

From: Mark (-USA):

I am still in church leadership and music ministry in a traditional church setting, but many very anointed & prophetically gifted friends of mine have had their fill of "playing church" and have "opted out" of organized religion. One is running a ministry (camp/retreat) for pastors in CO, another is raising sheep in KS, a third is creating an online network for churches, but none go to the traditional 'sermon/music/prayer/pulpit & pew' places we call "churches". I feel in my heart that this mass of hungry and Christ following people is God's own way of setting the stage for a huge reformational change.

From: Randy (-USA):

I read an explanation of why the phenomenon is growing - the out-of-church Christians. They say that we are lone rangers, backsliders, not team players, have bitter root judgments.... This can't be further from the truth.

When we have been attending church, we find- No God - No Power- No Gospel- Bad Agendas- Poor Leadership- Bad teaching- Bad programs- No Christ- No Healing- No miracles. Just a struggle for personal power and control.

I can't tell you how many times I have been treated like I am not going to Heaven because I am not attending church. So, the sad part is, where do we take our gifts, our tithes, and our love - but out to the streets.

We know many who have left the church, who are committed as prayer warriors, intercessors, missionaries, and worshippers. Wanting to share their gifts from God.

This movement is growing - so it will over-take the church. What you are seeing is just the tip of the iceberg.

From: Pat (-Canada):

I've been an out of church believer for over 7 years. I'm also a non-denominational ordained minister. I've visited a variety of churches over the years (and spoken at many of them) as the Lord led, but to be honest I frequently find it very hard to visit them. It's as if all I can hear are sobbing people and the rattling of chains all around me, yet everyone is smiling and singing of how God has freed them and filled them with joy. Often I feel like crying while believers around me are smiling and laughing with apparent joy... yet in reality they seem to touch very few with the love of God... even in their own churches. Canada has as many, if not more true believers who are also un-churched as New Zealand has.

From: Sam (-ex-Vineyard pastor, Canada):

I live in a community of 330,000 people and the OUT OF CHURCH Christian population has grown from 6,000 to over 10,000 since the summer of 1999...

From: Sue (-Australia):

I personally know a lot of strong Christian committed ex-church leaders, sold out for God, who God is using outside the local church. Some are in home groups, some just get together regularly for fellowship. As for me, most of my fellowship is with my friends in NZ and Australia by telephone and email.

From: Jenny (-New Zealand):

I work alongside people who have left churches as my job, under the umbrella name of Spirited Exchanges. I facilitate a couple of groups for people to process what has gone on for them in churches and to struggle with the faith and church issues...

I would agree with you - the accusations of 'backslider' and others are quite inaccurate and unhelpful. From what I have seen they are actually asking the hard questions in order to deepen, continue in and better integrate their faith.

I too, wonder if there is a move of God in this - people being called to something deeper, out of the game-playing and conformist faith stage...

From: Scott (-Japan-based email):

As a person who has been involved with ministry and with churches heavily for over 20 years (right from when I was 15), I can understand why people just leave. In the old days, we would give messages about that kind of person and say that they were lacking in commitment, and how you have to be planted in the one place, and how everything God wants to do he does through the local church, etc.

So people who dropped out of church were always seen as having not much to offer.

But, there are tons of them out there. I have chatted recently and am surprised that a lot of people who do want fellowship, and love God, don't go to a church regularly.

From: Anne (-USA):

In America, in certain cities, the out of church Christians are probably higher in number than the in-church Christians. It is a phenomenal occurrence... I feel as a missionary evangelist that there are so many church programs with little or none of the Presence of the Lord in the churches and that is the reason people leave them. There is little prayer and what prayer there is is void of passion and power and fire.

From: Peggy (-USA):

My husband and I have been Christians for 30 years, home group leaders for much of that time; my husband has also been a worship leader for most of that time. However, now we are among the "out of church" that your message describes, although we do continue to meet and pray with other believers who feel the same longing for something more real than we have experienced for longer than we care to remember. The cry of our hearts is *not* to live on our memories of incredible intimacy with God in years past, but to discover Him anew and in deeper ways than ever before. We are desperate for Him. In light of that hunger, the emptiness of our church experience, a church we'd attended for 17 years, was more than we could bear.
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The Author again:

The above are just a smattering of the hundreds of emails I received on this subject from all over the world. Several days after I published the original article a Webmaster from France wrote saying he had translated it into French and put it on a French web-site. After that I started getting all kinds of emails in French - none of which I could read! Which just goes to show that this "Out-of-church" thing is a huge issue right across the Western world. Everywhere, it seems, people are hungering and thirsting for the REALITY of God, but sadly no longer finding it in our churches. What on earth is going on?

THE WINDS OF THE SPIRIT

By David Minor

This is a prophetic word which was given over a decade ago by David Minor.  It is dated April 6, 1987.  This prophecy was published in The Morning Star 1988-89.  I feel it is very relevant for us today, as we see it being fulfilled before our eyes.

“The Spirit of God would say to you that the wind of the Holy Spirit is blowing through the land.  The church, however, is incapable of fully recognizing this wind.  Just as your nation has given names to its hurricanes, so I have put My name on this wind.  This wind is named HOLINESS UNTO THE LORD.

Because of a lack of understanding, some of My people will try to find shelter from the wind, but in so doing, they shall miss My work.  For this wind has been sent to blow through every institution that has been raised in My name.  In those institutions that have substituted their name for Mine, they shall fall by the impact of My wind.  Those institutions shall fall like cardboard shacks in a gale.  Ministries that have not walked in uprightness before Me shall be broken and fall.

For this reason, man will be tempted to brand this as a work of Satan, but do not be misled; this is My wind.  I cannot tolerate My church in its present form, nor will I tolerate it.  Ministries and organizations will shake and fall in the face of this wind.  Even though some will seek to hide from that wind, they shall not escape.  It shall blow against your lives, and everything around you will appear to be crumbling, and so it shall.  But never forget this is my wind,” saith the Lord.  “With tornado force it will come and appear to leave devastation, but the Word of the Lord comes and says, ‘Turn your face into the wind and let it blow.’  For only that which is not of Me shall be devastated.  You must see this as necessary.  

Be not dismayed, for after this, My wind shall blow again.  Have you not read how My breath blew on the valley of dry bones?  So it shall breathe on you.  This wind will come in equal force as the first wind.  This wind too will have a name.  It shall be called THE KINGDOM OF GOD.  It shall bring My government and order.  Along with that it shall be bring My power.  The supernatural shall come in that wind.  The world will laugh at you because of the devastation of that first wind, but they will laugh no more.  For this wind will come with force and power that will produce the miraculous among My people and the fear of God shall fall on the nation.

My people will be willing in the day of My power,” saith the Lord.  “In My first wind that is upon you now, I will blow out pride, lust, greed, competition, and jealousy and you will feel devastated, but haven’t you read, ‘Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of heaven.’?  So out of your poverty of spirit I will establish My kingdom.  Have you not read, ‘The Kingdom of God is in the Holy Ghost’?  So by My Spirit My kingdom will be established and made manifest.

Know this also, there will be those who shall seek to hide from this present wind, and they will try to flow with the second wind.  But again, they will be blown away by it.  Only those who have turned their faces into the present wind shall be allowed to be propelled by the second wind.  You have longed for revival and a return of the miraculous and the supernatural.  You and your generation shall see it, but it shall only come by My process.” saith the Lord.

The church of this nation cannot contain My power in its present form.  But as it turns to the wind of the Holiness of God, it shall be purged and changed to contain My glory.  This is judgment that has begun to the house of God, but this is not the end.  When the second wind has come and brought My harvest, then shall the end come.”

1965 VISION OF COMING DECEPTION

By Stanley Frodsham

The following is an excerpt from a prophecy given at the Elim Bible Institute Summer Camp Meeting in 1965 by the late Stanley Frodsham. Brother Frodsham was a recognized prophet and teacher in the Body of Christ whose life and ministry spanned the Pentecostal Revival, the great Healing Revival and the early days of the Charismatic Movement. He also authored the well-known book, "Smith Wigglesworth: Apostle of Faith".

(NOTE: This prophetic word was spoken by Stanley Frodsham who was a personal friend of Smith Wigglesworth. It was given in Chicago in 1965 five years before he died.)

The following is a stunning vision given to American preacher Tommy Hicks (who was a major figure in the powerful 1954 Argentina Revival).  

VISION OF THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THE END-TIME MINISTRIES

My message begins July 25, about 2:30 in the morning at Winnipeg, Canada. I had hardly fallen asleep when the vision and the  revelation  that  God  gave  me came before me. The vision came three times, exactly in detail, the morning of July 25, 1961. I was  so stirred  and  so moved by the revelation that this has changed my complete outlook upon the body of Christ, and upon  the  end-time ministries.
     
The greatest thing that the church of Jesus Christ has ever  been given lies straight ahead. It is so hard to help men and women to realize  and  understand the thing that God is trying to give his people in the end times.
     
I received a letter several weeks ago  from  one  of  our  native evangelists  down  in  Africa,  down in Nairobi. This man and his wife were on their way to Tanganyika. They could neither read nor could  they  write,  but we had been supporting them for over two years. As they entered into the  territory  of  Tanganyika,  they came  across  a  small village. The entire village was evacuating because of a plague that had hit the village. He came across  natives that were weeping, and he asked them what was wrong.

They  told  him of their mother and father who had suddenly died, and they had been dead for three days. They had  to leave.  They were  afraid  to go in; they were leaving them in the cottage. He turned and asked them where they were. They pointed  to  the  hut and  he  asked  them  to go with him, but they refused. They were afraid to go.

The native and his wife went to this little cottage  and  entered in  where the man and woman had been dead for three days. He simply stretched forth his hand  in  the  name  of  the  Lord  Jesus Christ,  and  spoke the man's name and the woman's name and said, "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I  command  life  to  come back  to  your bodies."  Instantaneously these two heathen people who had never known Jesus Christ as their Savior sat up and immediately began to praise God. The spirit and the power of God came into the life of those people.

To us that may seem strange and a phenomenon, but that is the beginning  of  these  end-time ministries. God is going to take the do-nothings, the nobodies, the unheard-of, the no-accounts. He is going  to  take every man and every woman and he is going to give to them this outpouring of the Spirit of God.

     
In the book of Acts we read that  "In the last days,"  God  said, "I  will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh." I wonder if we realized what he meant when God said, "I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh." I do not think I fully realized nor  could  I  understand the fullness of it, and then I read from the book of  Joel 2:23: 

  "Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the Lord  your God: for he hath given you the former  rain  moderately,  and  he will cause to come down for you the rain, the  former  rain,  and the latter  rain".   

It is not only going to  be  the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, but  he  is  going  to give  to  his  people  in these last days a double portion of the power of God!

As the vision appeared to me  after  I  was  asleep,  I  suddenly found  myself  in  a  great  high distance. Where I was, I do not know. But I was looking down upon the earth. Suddenly  the  whole earth  came  into  my  view.  Every  nation, every kindred, every tongue came before my sight from the east and the west, the north and  the south. I recognized every country and many cities that I had been in, and I was almost in fear and trembling  as  I  beheld the great sight before me: and at that moment when the world came into view, it began to lightning and thunder.

     
As the lightning flashed over the face  of  the  earth,  my  eyes went  downward and I was facing the north. Suddenly I beheld what looked like a great giant, and as I stared and looked  at  it,  I was  almost  bewildered  by  the sight. It was so gigantic and so great. His feet seemed to reach to the north pole and his head to the  south.  Its arms were stretched from sea to sea. I could not even begin to understand whether this be a mountain or this be  a giant, but as I watched, I suddenly beheld a great giant. I could see his head was struggling for life. He wanted to live, but  his body was covered with debris from head to foot, and at times this great giant would move his body and act as though it  would  even raise up at times. And when it did, thousands of little creatures seemed to run away. Hideous creatures would run  away  from  this giant, and when he would become calm, they would come back.

     
All  of a sudden this great giant lifted his hand towards heaven, and then it lifted its other hand, and when it  did  these  creatures by the thousands seemed to flee away from this giant and go into the darkness of the night.

    
Slowly this great giant began to rise and as he did, his head and hands  went  into the clouds. As he rose to his feet he seemed to have cleansed himself from the debris and  filth  that  was  upon him,  and  he began to raise his hands into the heavens as though praising the Lord, and as he raised his hands, they went even unto the clouds.

    
Suddenly,  every cloud became silver, the most beautiful silver I have ever known. As I watched this phenomenon it was so  great  I could  not  even  begin to understand what it all meant. I was so stirred as I watched it, and I cried unto the Lord  and  I  said, "Oh  Lord,  what  is the meaning of this." and I felt as if I was actually in the Spirit and I could feel the presence of the  Lord even as I was asleep.

    
And  from  those clouds suddenly there came great drops of liquid light raining down upon this mighty giant,  and  slowly,  slowly, this  giant began to melt, began to sink itself in the very earth itself, and as he melted,  his whole form seemed to  have  melted upon  the  face  of  the earth, and this great rain began to come down. Liquid drops of light began to flood the very earth  itself and  as I watched this giant that seemed to melt, suddenly it became millions of people over the face of the earth. As  I  beheld the sight before me, people stood up all  over  the  world!  They were lifting their hands and they were praising the Lord.

At that very moment there came a great  thunder  that  seemed  to roar  from  the  heavens. I turned my eyes toward the heavens and suddenly I saw a figure in white, in glistening white - the  most glorious thing that I have ever seen in my entire life. I did not see the face, but somehow I knew it was the  Lord  Jesus  Christ, and  he stretched forth his hand, and as he did, he would stretch it forth to one, and to  another,  and  to  another.  And  as  he stretched  forth  his hand upon the nations and the people of the world - men and women - as he pointed toward  them,  this  liquid light seemed to flow from his hands into them, and a  mighty  anointing of God came upon them, and those people began to go forth in the name of the Lord.

I  do not know how long I watched it. It seemed it went into days and weeks and months. And I beheld this Christ as he continued to stretch  forth his hand; but there was a tragedy. There were many people as he stretched forth his hand that refused the  anointing of God and the call of God. I saw men and women that I knew. People that I felt would certainly receive the call of God.  But  as he  stretched forth his hand toward this one and toward that one, they simply bowed their head and began to back away. And each  of those that seemed to bow down and back away, seemed  to  go  into darkness. Blackness seemed to swallow them everywhere.

I  was  bewildered  as I watched it, but these people that he had anointed, hundreds of thousands of people all over the world,  in Africa,  England, Russia, China, America, all over the world, the anointing of God was upon these people as they  went  forward  in the  name  of  the  Lord.  I saw these men and women as they went forth. They were ditch diggers, they were washerwomen, they  were rich  men,  they  were poor men. I saw people who were bound with paralysis and sickness and blindness and deafness.  As  the  Lord stretched  forth  to give them this anointing, they became  well, they became healed, and they went forth!

    
And this is the miracle of it - this is the glorious  miracle  of it  - those people would stretch forth their hands exactly as the

Lord did, and it seemed as if there was this same liquid fire  in their  hands. As they stretched forth their hands they said, "According to my word, be thou made whole."

    
As these people continued in this  mighty  end-time  ministry,  I did  not  fully realize what it was, and I looked to the Lord and said, "What is the meaning of this?" And he said, "This  is  that which  I  will  do  in the last days. I will restore all that the cankerworm, the palmer worm, the caterpillar - I will restore  all that  they have destroyed. This, my people, in the end times will go forth. As a mighty army shall they sweep over the face of  the earth."

    
As  I was at this great height, I could behold the whole world. I watched these people as they were going to and fro over the  face of  the earth. Suddenly there was a man in Africa and in a moment he was transported by the Spirit of God, and perhaps  he  was  in Russia,  or China or America or some other place, and vice versa. All over the world these people went, and they came through fire, and through pestilence, and through famine. Neither fire nor persecution, nothing seemed to stop them.

    
Angry mobs came to them with swords and with guns. And  like  Jesus,  they  passed through the multitudes and they could not find them, but they went forth in the name of the Lord, and everywhere they stretched forth their hands, the sick were healed, the blind eyes were opened. There was not a long prayer, and  after  I  had reviewed the vision many times in my mind, and I thought about it many times, I realised that I never saw a church, and I never saw or heard a denomination, but these people were going in the  name of the Lord of Hosts. Hallelujah!

      
As  they  marched forth in everything they did as the ministry of Christ in the end times, these people  were  ministering  to  the multitudes  over  the  face of the earth. Tens of thousands, even millions seemed to come to the Lord Jesus Christ as these  people stood  forth  and  gave the message of the kingdom, of the coming kingdom, in this last hour. It was so glorious, but it  seems  as though there were those that rebelled, and they would become  angry and they tried to  attack  those  workers  that  were  giving the message.

     
God is going to give the world a demonstration in this last  hour as the world has never known. These men  and  women  are  of  all walks  of life, degrees will mean nothing. I saw these workers as they were going over the face of the earth. When one would  stumble  and  fall, another would come and pick him up. There were no "big I" and "little you," but every mountain was brought low  and every  valley  was  exalted, and they seemed to have one thing in common - there was a divine love, a divine love  that  seemed  to flow forth from these people as they worked together, and as they lived together. It was the most glorious sight that I  have  ever known.  Jesus  Christ was the theme of their life. They continued and it seemed the days went by as I stood and beheld this  sight. I  could  only  cry, and sometimes I laughed. It was so wonderful as these people went throughout the  face  of  the  whole  earth, bringing forth in this last end time.

    
As  I  watched from the very heaven itself, there were times when great deluges of this liquid light seemed to fall upon great congregations,  and  that congregation would lift up their hands and seemingly praise God for hours and even days as the Spirit of God came upon them. God said, "I will pour my Spirit upon all flesh," and that is exactly this thing. And to every man and every  woman that  received this power, and the anointing of God, the miracles of God, there was no ending to it.

     
We have talked about miracles. We have  talked  about  signs  and wonders, but I could not help but weep as I read again this morning, at 4 o'clock this morning the letter from our  native  workers.  This  is  only the evidence of the beginning for one man, a "do-nothing, an unheard-of," who would go and stretch  forth  his hand  and  say,  "In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, I command life to flow into your body." I dropped to my knees and began  to pray  again,  and  I said, "Lord, I know that this time is coming soon!"

    
And  then again, as these people were going about the face of the earth, a great persecution seemed to come from every angle.

    
Suddenly there was another great clap of thunder, that seemed  to resound around the world, and I heard again the voice, the  voice that  seemed to speak, "Now this is my people. This is my beloved bride." And when the voice spoke, I looked upon the earth  and  I could see the lakes and the mountains. The graves were opened and people from all over the world, the saints of all ages, seemed to be  rising.  And  as they rose from the grave, suddenly all these people came from every direction. From the  east  and  the  west, from the north and the south, and they seemed to be forming again this gigantic body. As the dead in Christ  seemed  to  be  rising first, I could hardly comprehend it. It was so marvelous. It was

so far beyond anything I could ever dream or think of.  
  
But as this body suddenly began to form, and  take  shape  again, it  took  shape  again in the form of this mighty giant, but this time it was different. It was arrayed in the most beautiful  gorgeous  white.  Its  garments  were without spot or wrinkle as its body began to form, and the people of all ages seemed to be gathered  into  this body, and slowly, slowly, as it began to form up into the very heavens, suddenly from the heavens above, the  Lord Jesus  came,  and  became  the  head, and I heard another clap of thunder that said, "This is my beloved  bride  for  whom  I  have waited. She will  come forth even tried by fire. This is she that I have loved from the beginning of time."

     
As I watched, my eyes suddenly turned to the  far  north,  and  I saw  seemingly  destruction:  men and women in anguish and crying out, and buildings in destruction. Then I heard again, the fourth voice that said, "Now is My wrath being poured out upon the  face of the earth." From the ends of the whole world, the wrath of God seemed to be poured out and it seemed that there were great vials of God's wrath being poured out upon the face of the earth. I can remember  it  as  though  it  happened  a moment ago. I shook and trembled as I beheld the awful sight of seeing  the  cities,  and whole nations going down into destruction.

     
I  could  hear  the weeping and wailing. I could hear people crying. They seemed to cry as they went into caves, but the caves in the mountains opened up.

They  leaped  into  water,  but  the  water would not drown them. There was nothing that could destroy them. They were wanting  to take their lives, but they could not. Then  again  I  turned  my eyes to this glorious sight, this body arrayed in beautiful white, shining garments. Slowly, slowly,  it began  to  lift  from  the  earth, and as it did, I awoke. What a sight I had beheld! I had seen the end-time ministries - the last hour.  Again on July 27, at 2:30 in the morning, the same revelation, the same vision came again exactly as it did before.

    
My life has been changed as I realised  that  we  are  living  in that  end  time,  for all over the world God is anointing men and women with this ministry. It will not be doctrine. It will not be a  churchianity.  It  is going to be Jesus Christ. They will give forth the word of the Lord, and are going to say, "I heard it  so many  times  in  the  vision and according to my word it shall be done."

Spring 1993

Paul Cain teaches the Ishmael/Isaac Concept

The September 1st edition of "The Morning Star", (Rick Joyner's newsletter) was headlined "The Post-Charismatic Era". There, Paul Cain, the well-known Vineyard "prophet" informed us that "the charismatic renewal is now over but God is going to move again and speak again, even to the very ones who rejected Him in the last movement."

Paul Cain goes on to confess that "some foolishness" has accompanied this movement that "requires humility for us to press beyond". Some of this foolishness was mere human folly, he claims and an unnecessary stumbling block to sincere seekers. However, "The Lord is going to give us another opportunity to do it right. We will again, very soon, see multitudes being converted and being empowered with the Holy Spint".

Isaac And Ishmael

It's quite something to see leading charismatics admitting that there have been mistakes in the movement. Often, the problems have been passed off as minor aberrations instead of characteristics of the movement as a whole. Objections have been brushed aside. Critics have been accused of "quenching the Spirit" and "opposing the work of God". Now it seems they had some ground for their objections, but the answer proposed is not to control the excesses but write off the movement as an "lshmael", and look for the "Isaac" to come.

This new era, the post-charismatic new man, was preached at a Conference in London in October 1992. A group of churches in north-west London organised "The Word and the Spirit" meeting at the Wembley Conference Centre. It consisted of seminars in the morning and leaders' meetings in the afternoon, followed by an open meeting in the evening. The two main speakers were Dr. R.T. Kendall and Paul Cain, who has recently joined Westminster Chapel in London.

The title of the Conference - "The Word and The Spirit" - was explained by the speakers' remarks that they aimed to combine these two elements, theology and power. Dr. Kendall said that he had told Paul Cain, "Paul, you need my theology and I need your power".

The early Pentecostal pioneer, Smith Wigglesworth, long ago predicted a revival in the latter days involving both the Bible and the power of the Holy Spirit. Can it be that Paul Cain, moving in the supernatural realm, and R.T. Kendall, a renowned Bible scholar from the Reformed tradition, see themselves as the springboard for just such a revival?

This brings into focus an entirely new picture - that of the Reformed and Independent Evangelical traditions, previously so opposed to the charismatic movement, dropping their objections in a new and more forceful drive to unite all Christians under one banner.

At the London meeting, the present charismatic movement was likened to Ishmael. Taking Genesis 17 as his text, Dr Kendall pointed out that, while God affirmed Hagar [but see Gal 4:30] nevertheless Ishmael was not the promised child. Now, the barren old Church (Sarah) is about to conceive and bring forth the Isaac, and this child - the post-Charismatic movement - will be far superior to Ishmael, in four ways:

(a) it will defy all natural explanation.

(b) it will be totally vindicated by signs, wonders and miracles on a large and dramatic scale

(c) it will drive us back to the Word

(d) it will bring a sense of awe, as we see the marriage of Word and power. It is impossible to explain how glorious this new era will be.

The result of this Isaac revival is that "the glory of the Lord will cover the earth as the waters cover the sea".

[Note: It is relevant that the name "Isaac" means LAUGHTER. At the time of Cain's prediction, the Laughter Revival had already begun in a few unnoticed fellowships in the States and overseas. It came to public notice around the end of 1993.]

When Paul Cain spoke, his main concern was that God would clear His name, and He is going to do it through a "last-days" ministry of such power and might that none will dispute it, Cain claimed. Dr Kendall in an earlier message had sought to show that the Name of God was synonymous with miracle-working power.

The power present in the new movement would be far greater than in the old, he said. "when we consider how God has blessed the Church through the charismatic and pentecostal movements, how many wonderful end thrilling things have come... what will Isaac be like?" ~ Indeed, we do wonder!

Cain outlined some of the results of the new era, including governments and people in highest places coming on bended knee to the Church, children used as "sovereign vessels" of power, ordinary Christians equipped with prophetic gifts and all places - even those hitherto untouched - being reached with the message. (Many of these prophecies were also spoken by Paul Cain in his "Joel's Army" teachings, but the Ishmael/Isaac idea is said to have originated with Mike Bickle, another Kansas City Prophet.)

Cain said that a number of people in the audience would put Jonathan Edwards, George Whitfield and John Wesley in the shade in the new wave of revival.

Paul Cain also predicted mass healings, empty hospital wards and countless numbers of people seeking after God, including "millions of islams" with whole nations turning to God in one day.

By DN Hoets  - received in early 1990's [It is significant that this prophecy preceded the end-time move which first surfaced in 1994.]

Preface
I saw in the Spirit, a globe - a globe of the world. Surrounding the globe was a thin layer of cloud. Suddenly the clouds began to gather. The clouds deepened. The winds blew. A chill was in the air. A thunderstorm was emerging. Soon, there was only one cloud over the globe - a large thundercloud. A storm is approaching the earth.  
The Holy Spirit said, 'Look in the Spirit. What do you see?' I looked. I saw nothing; so I replied, 'Nothing.' The Spirit spoke again, gently, 'Look again.' I looked. I saw a large, china jar in the Spirit. It was empty inside. Then I saw another jar, but broken. Then the Spirit spoke: 'Much of the doctrine today is like that jar - beautiful to behold, but no substance; it is found wanting in My balances. Look at the other jar. Indeed this doctrine will be like the broken jar. All will see it and say, 'Behold the jar. Look. It has no substance.'  
The Spirit showed me a chariot in the Spirit. A horse-driven chariot. The dust rose as it moved over the plain. Then the Spirit spoke:  

'The chariot is rushing on,
the horses run furiously;
when all things must be
fulfilled.'  

Then the Spirit explained what this meant: 'The last move is here. The end has come. A glorious hour - an hour in which some will weep in sorrow and in anguish of soul. For, indeed, in this hour, a sword will pierce the hearts of many.'  A book (prophecy) titled "Living Laodicea - a Revelation of the Last Move" will be emailed in pdf format to those who give $30 USD. Alternatively, buy it online here.

1968 PROPHECIES of the LAST DAYS

These two interesting prophecies were given long ago in Norway:

JESUS is COMING SOON (SUDDENLY)

An old woman of 90 from Valdres in Norway had a vision from God in 1968. The evangelist Emanuel Minos had meetings (services) where she lived. He had the opportunity to meet her, and she told him what she had seen. He wrote it down, but thought it to be so unintelligible that he put it in a drawer. Now, almost 30 years later, he understands he has to share the vision with others.

The woman from Valdres was a very alert, reliable, awake and credible Christian, with a good reputation among all who knew her.

This is what she saw:

"I saw the time just before the coming of Jesus and the outbreak of the Third World War. I saw the events with my natural eyes. I saw the world like a kind of a globe and saw Europe, land by land.
I saw Scandinavia. I saw Norway. I saw certain things that would take place just before the return of Jesus, and just before the last calamity happens, a calamity the likes of which we have never before experienced.

She mentioned four waves:

1. "First before Jesus comes and before the Third World War breaks out there will be a ‘détente’ like we have never had before.
There will be peace between the super powers in the east and the west, and there will be a long peace. (Remember, that this was in 1968 when the cold war was at its highest. E. Minos) In this period of peace there will be disarmament in many countries, also in Norway and we are not prepared when it (the war) comes. The Third World War will begin in a way no one would have anticipated - and from an unexpected place.

2. "A lukewarmness without parallel will take hold of the Christians, a falling away from true, living Christianity. Christians will not be open for penetrating preaching. They will not, like in earlier times, want to hear of sin and grace, law and gospel, repentance and restoration. There will come a substitute instead: prosperity (happiness) Christianity.

"The important thing will be to have success, to be something; to have material things, things that God never promised us in this way. Churches and prayer houses will be emptier and emptier.
Instead of the preaching we have been used to for generations - like, to take your cross up and follow Jesus, - entertainment, art and culture will invade the churches where there should have been gatherings for repentance and revival. This will increase markedly just before the return of Jesus.

3. "There will be a moral disintegration that old Norway has never experienced the likes of. People will live together like married without being married. (I do not believe the concept ‘co-habitor’? existed in 1968 - E. Minos.) Much uncleanness before marriage, and much infidelity in marriage will become the natural (the common), and it will be justified from every angle. It will even enter Christian circles and we pet it - even sin against nature. Just before Jesus' return there will be TV-programs like we have never experienced. (TV had just arrived in Norway in 1968. E. Minos)

"TV will be filled with such horrible violence that it teaches people to murder and destroy each other, and it will be unsafe in our streets. People will copy what they see. There will not be only one ‘station’ on TV, it will be filled with ‘stations.’ (She did not know the word ‘channel’ which we use today. Therefore she called them stations. E. Minos.) TV will be just like the radio where we have many ‘stations,’ and it will be filled with violence. People will use it for entertainment. We will see terrible scenes of murder and destruction one of the other, and this will spread in society. Sex scenes will also be shown on the screen, the most intimate thing that takes place in a marriage." (I protested and said, we have a paragraph that forbids this kind of thing. E. Minos.) There the old woman said: "It will happen, and you will see it. All we have had before will be broken down, and the most indecent things will pass before our eyes."

4. "People from poor countries will stream to Europe. (In 1968 there was no such thing as immigration. E. Minos.) They will also come to Scandinavia - and Norway. There will be so many of them that people will begin to dislike them and become hard with them.
They will be treated like the Jews before the Second World War.
Then the full measure of our sins will have been reached (I protested at the issue of immigration. I did not understand it at the time. E. Minos.)

The tears streamed from the old woman’s eyes down her cheeks.
"I will not see it, but you will. Then suddenly, Jesus will come and the Third World War breaks out. It will be a short war." (She saw it in the vision.)

"All that I have seen of war before is only child’s play compared to this one, and it will be ended with a nuclear atom bomb. The air will be so polluted that one cannot draw one’s breath. It will cover several continents, America, Japan, Australia and the wealthy nations. The water will be ruined (contaminated?). We can no longer till the soil. The result will be that only a remnant will remain. The remnant in the wealthy countries will try to flee to the poor countries, but they will be as hard on us as we were on them.

"I am so glad that I will not see it, but when the time draws near, you must take courage and tell this. I have received it from God, and nothing of it goes against what the Bible tells.

"The one who has his sin forgiven and has Jesus as Savior and Lord, is safe."

WHEN the OIL FLOWS

An elder in the Pentecostal Church at Moss, Norway, Martin Andersen, heard the following prophecy in 1937, in Moss:

‘When oil comes out of the North Sea and along the Norwegian coast, things will begin to happen, and the return of Jesus is approaching.’

When these words had been proclaimed, people stood up in the congregation and asked the man to sit down and not speak such nonsense. In 1937 it was indeed nonsense to talk about oil being pumped along the Norwegian coast. Today all the world’s big oil companies are pumping oil along the coast of Norway. Norway is the world’s third greatest exporter of oil - after Saudi Arabia.

The sum of it all is: Jesus is coming soon (suddenly).
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Editor’s note:
I have found in my own research that the first account was published by the Christian Information Service in Germany. The web site of Dr. Emanuel Minos is active today and can be accessed for verification. Although the language on this site is Norwegian, the very similar story of the woman and her vision is posted there in English... Ragna took it upon herself to verify as much of the above information as she could.

~ www.churchisraelforum.com/Jesus_is_coming_soon_suddenly.htm

HUDSON TAYLOR'S VISION 1855

This vision was received while he was preaching in Britain, on furlough from China.
'I have seen a vision. I saw in this vision a great war that encompasses the world. I saw this war recede and then start again, actually being two wars. after this I saw much unrest and revolts that will affect many nations. I saw in some places spiritual awakenings.
'In Russia I saw there will come a general all-encompassing national spiritual awakening spread to many European countries. Then I saw an all-out awakening, followed by the coming of Christ.'

THE GREAT REVIVAL - SMITH WIGGLESWORTH.

This prophecy was given at the annual Elim conference in 1947
'During the next few decades there will be two distinct moves of the Holy Spirit across the church in Great Britain.
The first move will affect every church that is open to receive it and will be characterized by a restoration of the baptism and gifts of the Holy Spirit
'The second move of the holy Spirit will result in people leaving historic churches and planting new churches.
'In the duration of each of these moves, the people involved will say, "This is a great revival." But the Lord says, "No, neither is the great revival but both are steps towards it."
'When the new church phase is on the wane, there will be evidenced in the churches something that has not been seen before: a coming together of those with an emphasis on the Word and those with an emphasis on the Spirit.
'When the Word and the Spirit come together, there will be the biggest movement of the Holy Spirit that the nation, indeed the world has even seen. It will mark the beginning of a revival that will eclipse anything that has been witnessed within these shores, even the Wesleyan and the Welsh revivals of former years. The outpouring of God's Spirit will flow over from the United Kingdom to the mainland of Europe, and from there will begin a missionary move to the ends of the earth.'

1988 Dr. Walter Martins Warning to the Church

If you have your Bible, if you have your Bible I'd like you to turn with me to Acts chpt. 20. I'd like to read a few verses from this passage which I believe are very apropos today.

Talking to the elders in the church of Ephesus as he is preparing to go to Jerusalem where he will be bound by the Jews, and later to die. The apostle writes these words or speaks these words and Luke records them. I take you to record this day v.26, Acts 20:26. That is a direct quote from Ezek. 34 where the scripture says if you do not warn the wicked man of his wicked and he dies in his sin, I will hold you accountable for it. So we are suppose to warn the wicked of the wickedness they perform and also of the judgment of God upon them. If we don't we become accessories after the fact of their sins. |

So, Ezek. 34 is what Paul is definitely referring to. I want you to know I am free from the blood of all mankind because I am giving you the whole counsel take heed there unto yourselves and all the flock unto which the Holy Spirit has made you rulers. The Greek word episcopos- a ruler to fend or tend therefore the church of God which he has purchased with his own blood. "For I know this after I leave you savage wolves shall enter in among you and will not spare the flock." No mercy and notice this from your own selves men shall arise speaking contrary things to draw away disciples after themselves. Therefore watch and remember for a period of three years I did not cease to warn everyone night and day to the point of tears." Now there is a twofold warning to the Christian Church.

Now we are speaking this morning on the warnings of God, the warnings of God. This passage tells you that after the apostles would leave the Church there would be savage wolves, they are characterized as wolves. Ravenous wolves who will enter in, and they will not spare the flock. Which means they will attack the flock from without, they will penetrate the sheepfold and they will chew up the sheep. Now that’s as clear as crystal right here. I know this after I leave, this is going to happen.

We have those savage wolves today. We have theologians in theological Seminaries and departments of religions of schools who literally chew up the flock. They chew up the people who are studying for the ministry and then they spit them out into our pulpits where they can chew us up. These are the savage wolves who come in not sparing the flock. Apostate’s in positions of authority in the Christian Church. Apostate’s who advocate the ordination of homosexuals, forbidden and cursed of God. Apostate’s who deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. Apostate’s who will ordain you if you deny the Trinity, the deity of Christ, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection, and the 2nd coming. Apostate’s who dominate our denominational structures and our educational institutions. Apostate’s who have come in and are chewing up the church. That is very clearly stated here that we are to lookout for these people. Paul said I warned you day and night for three years to the point of tears. Very important.

Now there is a 2nd part of this that is seldom preached on because when you preach on it people get upset in my ministry what else is new. It’s an occupational hazard because you have to tell them the whole counsel of God. Notice Paul’s emphasis here, "I have not avoided declaring unto you verse 27 "all or the whole counsel of God." The whole counsel of God is to warn against the savage wolves, cultists occultists, non Christian religionists, atheistic and skeptical philosophers, psychologists whatever they may be, who have attacked the church from without and some have penetrated and chewed up the church.

Now there's a 2nd warning from God, this warning is one the Church has paid very little attention to and because we have paid so little attention to it, it has thrived and become lethal. Why? Because what's close to you that you don't see, it does you far more harm than something you can get in perspective and easily identify. So let’s take a good look at what he saying here. From your own selves v.30 you ought to mark church itself, men will arise. It does not say possibly, could, he said will arise. They will speak contrary the meaning of the word in the Greek, King James says perversion, the word in the Greek is contrary. They will speak contrary things for the purpose of drawing disciples after them selves.

So the warning of God is against people in the church in positions of leadership and respect. Who will draw disciples surrounding themselves, whose allegiance is not to Christ, but to that person. And they will draw the disciples after themselves from within the church so that there is no accountability for what they say. Now this isn't my message this is the Pauline counsel to the Church at Ephesus. Warnings from the Holy Spirit. Look out for the wolves and lookout for the divisive schismatic leaders who will split and fragment and divide the church by attracting disciples to follow them.

Now the Scripture has many statements about false teachings and false prophets. Mat.7 gives one of the most frightening passages in all divine revelation it says and this is the lord Jesus speaking on the subject ( --- dressed as sheep but inwardly or spiritually you are dealing with savage wolves, you will know them by what they produce). Now Jesus has said something else that the Church has forgotten today. Jesus said in my name or if you want the actual meaning of the Greek text, by my authority- name means authority.

When you say "stop in the name of the Law" to criminal fleeing, you are saying stop by the authority of what? The law. The law says you can't do that. Stop! When a King pronounces judgment in Old Testament times and recent times until kings went out of fashion. In the world a ruler person would say open the door in the name of the king….

Alright once you get that concept in you mind Jesus said there will come men who will speak claiming their authority is from me. Now get that in your head carefully. There will come men who will speak in my name. That is, I am supposedly saying this to you, that is a very important phrase. There going to come and say I'm speaking to you in Jesus in my name they will work miracles in my name they will cast out devils… they will prophesy and preach. But when I meet them I will say leave me I never knew you workers of iniquity.

Why? Because they use his authority and his name, because the power was in Jesus name, or Jesus' authority not in them. And God honoured the name of his Son. And they took that as a means of teaching there own false doctrines and false prophecies and because of that they corrupted the faith of the church. But inwardly, spiritually, they really roooaaar! And if you don't know fleece from fur your dinner, dumb drum. And the only way you can know fleece from fur is to know how to test them. You don't test them by Walter Martin, or by Norman Geisler, as good as the apologist and defenders of Christianity might be and as much as you trust them. You don't test them by other people, you test them by Scripture.

Then if your fidelity is the Scripture, and your allegiance is the Scripture, you reject them! But says Paul in the last days, men are going to be drawn away by false teachers and prophets in the church speaking in the name of Jesus. And you’re not going to test them you’re going to go along with them. And there gonna fragment and divide the Church because you wont' test them.

Well its about time that we test them.

Kenneth Copeland delivered the following prophecy during a three day victory campaign held in Dallas Texas. It is reproduced in the Voice of Victory 20th anniversary of his ministry. Found on page 9 his prophecy came from Jesus Christ, Copeland says, He quotes Jesus as saying:

 "You remember in my word I said to my disciples this kind comes not out by prayer and fasting." He's talking now about the power of prayer. He goes on "Don't be disturbed (this is Jesus) when people accuse you of being God. The more you get to be like me God. But I didn’t claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in Me. Hallelujah."

That is a lying spirit. Look at me read my lips. That is a lying spirit. That is not the Holy Spirit. Now for ten years I have warned and I'm on tape and in print on this. That we were heading into the kingdom of the cults with the faith teachers. You are no longer heading there baby, you are there!

Just so you are not mistaken let me give it to you again. Jesus speaking:

"The more you get to be like me (Jesus) the more there going to think that way of you. They crucified me for claiming that I was God. But I didn’t claim I was God; I just claimed I walked with Him and that He was in Me. Hallelujah." That’s what your doing."

Now this was on TBN this on Christian Television and radio stations. This is tolerated by the Christian Church, particularly the charismatic wing because they will not obey the Lord Jesus Christ and they will not obey; what the Scripture says. They are taken by people and ministries. And by large crowds and jet airplanes and by affluence as supposedly the seal of success. If you’re big and you’re powerful and you’re rich and people come to hear you, automatically it must be from God. No! Automatically it isn't from God. You’re supposed to test what the person says by Scripture. And if you don't test it by Scripture you can be taking in spiritual arsenic or cyanide and it can ruin your Christian life and take your eyes off Christ. The Scripture says it will overturn the faith in the Church.

This is far beyond doctrinal disputes. He speaks it in the name of Jesus. He's a liar, and the truth is not in him. Isa. 8:20 "If they do not speak according to this word they have, what? NO light in them," in fact the Hebrew says there is no dawn.
What deceives people about these false prophets is that out one side of their mouth they preach the gospel and out of the other side of their mouth they deny him who is the core of the gospel. And if you don’t put the two sides together you think you’re hearing Christianity. But you’re not!. The false prophets know that to get crowds they have to preach Christianity. The false prophets know that in order to have financial support they have got to get the church to contribute to them. So they will sound like the Church and they will prophesy in Jesus name, they will heal in Jesus name they will work miracles in Jesus name and then at the proper they will deny him.

How do you know he's a false prophet? It’s easy he said so. I wonder if people who read this THOUGHT! THOUGHT!
"They crucified me for claiming I was God, but I didn't claim I was God." He didn't? That’s strange language, John chapter 8, "your father Abraham rejoiced to se my day coming he saw it and he was glad. But they said your not even 50 years old yet. You saw Abraham?" Jesus said, "before Abraham came into existence I AM." And they reach for stones to kill him. Who'd they think he was? Obviously God. John Chpt.10 "for thy Good works we stone thee not but for blasphemy. That you being a man make yourself out to be", Who? GOD!

Now we are dealing here with the doctrine of antichrist. And its not coming from an apostate professor of a theological seminary its not coming from a Jehovah's Witness that knocks on your door. It's not coming from the Mormon missionary that peddles up. Its coming from Kenneth Copeland on your television set on your radio and in print and if you resist the false doctrines of antichrist elsewhere, why will you not resist here?

The answer is very simple because people hear the gospel being preached and they automatically assume that the person preaching is a true prophet of God. No Jesus said, the false prophets can do it. They only way you can find out is test them. I've not avoided declaring to you the whole counsel of God for the space of ten years. I have told you day and night to the point of rage.

Now it’s come full circle. There it is. Quote on TBN "Dogs beget dogs cats beget cats, and God beget Gods, you are little Gods." Close quote. That’s Kenneth Copeland on your television set. You are Gods!

No you’re not, your sinners saved by grace. And he's not a God, he's a sinner professing to be a Christian, and denying in prophesy in the name of Jesus what Jesus said. That’s a false prophet, I don't care how you spell it, if you say but look at the healings, look at the meetings, look at the miracles. READ Matthew Chapter 7, use your brains. Jesus said that’s exactly what's going to happen, there going to preach and prophesy in my name. They do! In my name there gonna work miracles, they do. In my name they cast out devils, they do! And then they deny Him. Jesus said look out for them, because they’re here! And they are here now. They are on our television sets our radios and print.

Now the question is, will you tolerate it? We should be bombarding TBN and every Christian channel that produces and distributes this stuff. And we should be telling them we will not support the doctrine of the Anti-Christ. You may not do this with my money, and furthermore I'm not going to send any money. And then in addition to that I'm going to actively discourage everybody I know from sending you any money. And when you hold financial support they listen, but not until.

So I'm suggesting over the Bible Answer Man program that we start holding support to people and ministries that do this. And I'm going to get a lot of flak, you’re going to hear a lot of people coming after me, and I want you to know, I could care less. This is the TRUTH, what I'm telling you is the truth and if it is a voice crying in the wilderness it’s the truth. And the Holy Spirit will see to it that they will listen. Because I am a prophetic voice in this and have been for decades, of course I don't for a moment believe I am a prophet, anymore than I believe I am an apostle. I'm a teacher, but you can speak with a prophetic voice, you can exercise apostolic office in given situations.

Believe me we’re in trouble, and if we don't something about really quickly your going to be in more trouble than you know what to do with. Because people keep accepting these as Christian representatives. What we’re getting is the doctrine of anti-Christ. If you deny that you don't know your Bible.

Jesus says through Copeland "I never claimed to be God." That is not the Jesus of the Bible, you want me to tell you who it is, turn in your Bible to 2 Cor.11, I will tell you who it is. V.3 "But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, … a different spirit … a different gospel" ….Then he goes on to say that there are false apostles, deceitful workman who transform themselves on the outside to look like the ministers of Christ but inwardly you are dealing with the imitation of Satan.

I don't bring judgment or play God, that is not my role or yours. But if Jesus Christ said it and the New Testament teaches it and it is Biblical theology and we reiterate what the text says we are not playing God, we are being faithful to what God said.

Is Kenneth Copeland a Christian? If he is a Christian let him repent! Let him apologize to the church, let him forsake these false doctrines. He is not a God, he lies when he says anyone in the Church is a God. He lies when he says Jesus Christ gave him this prophesy, this did not come from the Lord Jesus Christ.

The apostle Paul calls Jesus our great God and savior Titus 2:13. Acts chapter 20 which I just read says, God purchased the Church with his own blood. Well who died on the cross? God in human flesh and purchased the Church with his own blood. The whole new testament declares the deity of Jesus Christ. "In the beginning was the word and the word with God and the word was God." And Kenneth Copeland knows it as well as I do! But he's denying it, when you take your eyes off Scripture as the criterion for authority and you place it on experience and on people, and on revelations, and on messages that allegedly come from God, you are a set up for deception, you’re made for it. Because you don't have any way to check it. But you must check it.

The title of his article is "Take time to pray." That’s the title "Take time to pray." No take time to obey, take time to obey Christ and to obey him is to proclaim him Lord of all. I am the alpha and omega the beginning and the end the first and the last the Almighty Rev. 1:7-8. Who is He? "He is coming with Clouds and every eye shall see him and he is the almighty." Well that’s what Christ said about himself. Thomas said my Lord and my Jehovah. And worships him and Jesus said because you have seen me you believe Blessed is they that have not seen and believe.

Kenneth Copeland quoted every one of these verses and then in a prophecy originating with Jesus Christ he can deny the identity of Jesus Christ. You are now dealing with false prophets. I don’t presume to judge the eternal destiny of men that is not our task but I will tell you one thing Biblically speaking If you say you are Christ’s property then you have Christ’s spirit. Romans 8:9. And whoever does not have Christ’s spirit is not Christ’s property. Christ’s spirit does not deny Jesus Christ. Christ’s spirit exalts him. This is a denial of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is Jesus speaking "I never said I was God, never claimed to be God." No that’s a lie, "let God be true and every man a liar."

I want a repudiation of this and a removal of these men from the Trinity Broadcasting Network station until they apologize to the Christian Church and repent of this evil. And if they won’t, then it must be the task of the Christian Church to oppose them vigorously, publicly. And tell it to the whole Church. And read this until people can’t stand to hear it anymore. Until they will act on it. Don’t you dare talk about fidelity to Jesus Christ, and love to Jesus Christ and allegiance to Jesus Christ and sit by while men deny him! You’re gonna be consistent then be consistent in obedience.

You may sit here and say "You sound very angry!" I am. I may be one of God’s last angry men, but I’m angry for the right reason. I’m in the presence of the doctrines of the anti-Christ and I plan to be angry that way the rest of my life. And if you don’t hear me angry about those kinds of doctrines please come and tell me as quickly as possible, because I have defected from the ministry.

So I’m going to ask you to covenant with me in prayer that God will bring Kenneth Copeland to repentance for this blasphemy and there may be a open apology and repudiation of it in the Christian Church. And then until this is done we will remain constant in prayer and we will not support what we know to be evil doctrine. If we do that God will bless us and honour us, if we don’t do it were gonna reap an awful harvest.

This morning was a very difficult message to preach, the warnings of God. Because whenever you talk this way you bound to be misinterpreted and people are bound to think somehow or another you’ve got some ax to grind and your after somebody’s neck. I’m not but if I sit still in the presence of the doctrine of antichrist I’m an accessory to those doctrines and I fall under the condemnation of Acts chpt.20.

If you go further into revelation chpt.2 later on, you will find that the Holy Spirit commends the Church in Ephesus, above all the seven Churches because they tested these people, just as Paul told them to and they found out they were liars. And the Spirit says, good job, you did what you were suppose to do and he commends the Ephesians for it.

May God make us faithful in the tradition of the Ephesians. The lord Jesus Christ paid the price for all sin on the cross. The Lord Jesus Christ rose victoriously from the dead for our redemption we are saved by his life. The Lord Jesus Christ has given us spirit so we can walk with him, he has also given us his spirit so we might discern evil, as well as good."

The Multitude of Prophecies

For the Lord will do nothing unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

For many years, from all over the world, the prophetic word has sounded. This word has come from many proven men and women of God. Their message that has consistently come forth is one of the coming revival.

Has there ever been a time when we have heard so many prophecies concerning the coming revival?